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This is Hip Hop Movie Club, the show for serious hip hop fans who want to deepen their

cultural knowledge.

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We are long time hip hop fans who have watched over 75 hip hop themed films.

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And in this episode, we'll answer this question.

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Can hip hop tell stories about everyday Black life?

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Not just struggle, but community, responsibility, growth and maturity, and still stay

authentic?

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We'll give you a quick snapshot about this film, talk about where it fits the hip hop

canon, a few fun facts.

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What kind of impact this film had and what fans said about this movie.

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I'm Dyno Wright, filmmaker, designer, and I'm passing the mic to JB.

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Hey I'm JB, 80s and 90s nostalgia junkie.

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Let me pass the mic over to Boogie for a minute.

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Hey, what's going on, people?

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I'm Boogie, a DJ, longtime hip hop fan.

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Yes.

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So let me tell you a little bit about Barbershop, quick summary, and then we'll get into

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Barbershop follows Calvin, played by Ice Cube, a Chicago barber.

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He impulsively sells his late father's shop to chase bigger dreams, but over one chaotic

day filled with wild characters, heated debates, and a stolen ATM subplot, Calvin realizes

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the shop is more than just a business.

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It's the heart of the neighborhood.

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And then he's got to figure out if he's made the biggest mistake of his life.

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Barbershop, it was charming film.

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I enjoyed it.

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I was expecting a little bit more maybe of that barbershop banter like you see in the

scenes in Coming to America, it's just like chaotic and craziness.

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The archetype for this.

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that those scenes in Coming to America.

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Every time I talk about boxing, you're you gotta bring up Rocky Marciano

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But I do think that, it actually, it works because the barbershop is such a

central figure for all of these, urban scenes.

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like a lot of folks is like the center of their universe is like church and a barbershop

and that's where things get settled and vetted out.

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Right.

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Any thoughts on that, Boogie?

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Yeah absolutely, I mean, I remember, you know, growing up in my neighborhood, right up the street, there was a barber shop right there, right on the corner of my street in South Orange

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Avenue.

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And that was one of the cool spots to hang out.

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And then there was another one.

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I mean, there's a couple of them in the neighborhood, but I remember that was the one to

be at because everybody who was everybody in the neighborhood went to that one right

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there.

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The conversations, I mean, we talked about everything from what was on TV to the hottest

songs on the radio to sports.

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Everything got chopped up in the barbershop.

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You see it all the time in little even commercials or movies, sports debates, even like

ESPN commercials and stuff like that.

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The Jordan versus LeBron debate, right?

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How many barbershops probably, that's probably like a big sticking point and get old heads

like us that'll just say Jordan, Jordan, you can never beat Jordan.

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then, know, younger crowd was the LeBron.

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But in this movie, you

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shifting gears back to the movie, key cast, Ice Cube plays Calvin, Cedric the entertainer,

who I think pretty much steals the show, is the old head, is Eddie, and Anthony Anderson.

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I love the way he talked.

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Yeah, it was kind of like that old man mumble like, back in my day.

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Eve played a great

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role as Terri I think she did a great job.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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She was terrific, I thought.

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A lot of range.

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Totally believable.

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Yeah, really great.

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And we saw Keith David as Lester Wallace.

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He always seems to play like a shady individual.

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He has such like regal presence though.

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He's so good.

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Even if he's playing a villain.

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he's one of my on screen.

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Like his voice just commands respect.

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Mm-hmm.

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Exactly.

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Even if he's like an evil character.

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Hehehehe

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Troy Garity was the white boy as Isaac. Michael Ealy as Ricky and I like the character

Dinka, Leonard Earl Howze.

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Well, the one funny quote that somebody called him Jumbo Mutumbo I was like, what?

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That was awesome.

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That was awesome.

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then director is Tim Story and, he was also known for the 2005 version of Fantastic Four.

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He directed that film and the ride along franchise.

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Hmm.

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Yeah.

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I like both of those movies.

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They're one or two that I saw.

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Yeah.

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Good stuff.

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Yeah, and he was nominated for two NAACP Image Awards for Outstanding Directing in a

e Film to Television Movie in: 2006

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And I actually watched this on DVD and they had a couple of special features that I got to see and the director's cut and things like that.

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they were like, once I saw the script, was like, yes, this is, we've got to do this.

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Having the barbershop as the central venue.

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It just made a lot of sense.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah, we had Lahmard Tate, brother of Lorenz Tate.

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He was a hilar- I think the banter between him and Anthony Anderson's JD character were pretty funny, They were like two bungling thieves that really didn't know what the heck they were

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doing.

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And then once they did the job, they were like, aw shoot, how do we hide the evidence?

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And they had a hard time doing that.

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So if we talk about where does this movie fit like in the hip hop film canon, it's part of

the evolution of Ice Cube from his days of NWA into a family friendly character.

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And this was a pivotal movie to that shift.

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Whereas he had already done Friday at this point, but more the family friendly that we see

like in Are We There Yet?

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And he becomes more credible in that type of role.

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And it gives momentum for Black comedies.

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Absolutely, yeah.

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I mean, we saw the stereotypical crime ridden movies, the menace to societies, the boys in the hoods, the South Central's, and this was a, the shift towards something authentic,

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but not violence ridden not crime ridden I mean, yeah, there's a crime at the plot.

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point of the movie, but it wasn't like a violent crime.

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You know, so yeah, this was definitely central in that transition.

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And it's also the jump off point for Eve too, who went on to have a career in film as

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She starred in other barbershop movies and she also had her own television shows, et

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this showed that she had a presence, not just as an MC,

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in music videos, also carrying scripted content for film and television.

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Yeah, the lack of violence is really telling in this.

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I mean, there's a little, not a whole lot, but it's not really part of the story so much.

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And there is a gun and it's a gun that's sort of the turning point of the plot.

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And it wasn't even fired.

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was just that the existence of it, like, was a symbol for one way of life.

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But this movie really had, you know, the barbershop as a way of chopping it up and.

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heated debates without resorting to.

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violence every time.

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Yeah, I mean, the one thing that was, it was so key with authenticity down to the fact

that you had, DeRay Davis who played Ray Ray, the hustle man.

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I mean, every barber shop had a hustle man that comes in.

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He's either selling bootleg DVDs, bootleg CDs, he's got the bootleg clothing.

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I mean, whatever he could find, he's trying to sell it.

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And I know the fact that he would...

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He would get kicked out and still come back, get kicked out, still come back, get kicked

out, still come back.

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and then you had the guys that were just hanging out like Checker Fred.

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Wasn’t even getting a haircut.

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You're just hanging out, just hanging out playing checkers.

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How many times you go to the barber shop without your head cut, Levi?

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Never.

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But I know people that did it.

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Alright, there you go.

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It's a place to hang out though.

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If friends are there, of course you'd go.

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But like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I would go with my friends sometimes.

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But usually I would go, I would get the haircut and instead of coming right back, I would

hang out there like, you whatever.

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Like it'd be like a group of us go like, you know, one person sit in a chair, you swap

out, next person sit in a chair, swap out, next person sit in a chair, swap out.

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And you know, whoever's coming in and out, talking to them.

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And then like you're saying, like you're trying to get something like, you know, you don't

want to go downtown.

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So if the guy comes through with the CDs or, well, at the time it was cassettes.

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But then see these, you know, the guy come through with those, you're gonna try to get one of those, get the hottest joint without having to get on a bus.

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There you go.

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haha

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And then the same thing with the VHS tapes and the DVDs, same thing.

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Absolutely.

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Why get on a bus when you can buy a couple CDs and whatnot?

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like Columbia House, but it comes to you in the Barber Shop.

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That's right, that's right.

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get those mixtapes before anybody else.

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Yeah, so I think like you mentioned the word authenticity, Boogie, think it seemed to be authentic in terms of the barbershop setting is deeply rooted in Black urban culture and

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it captured the kind of rhythm and flow of those conversations.

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Even the employees themselves like Eve like who took my apple juice and like that whole heated debate.

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That was pretty funny.

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And the authenticity with Ice Cube and Eve being central figures.

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Eve, like you said, Eve was at her commercial peak at this time.

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The soundtrack had some good tracks as well, which we can get into in just a bit.

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So the music, the language, the fashion seemed to be pretty authentic.

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Even some of the debates or the one scene that was even like shot like as if it was a

cypher and imagine that's how it happens in a barbershop.

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Not that I've been to a Black barbershop.

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I'm trying to think.

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Not really.

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I've been to lot of Asian barbershops.

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You

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That's really like someone's house.

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So I mean the one knock could be like this was a little bit of sanitized version because

it was I remember this was PG-13 or something like that so they kind of sanitized it a bit

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because some of those conversations get even more raw and contentious but again they were going to a little bit PG-13 yes a little more family-friendly so I can't really knock it

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for that.

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Yeah, they definitely toned it down as far as language, but yeah, it's was.

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right.

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And the soundtrack itself, if you want to do a little bit of a deeper dive, it was

appropriate for the time.

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It wasn't really central to the movie.

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It was more ambient than central to the storytelling, but I liked the intro song.

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When EPMD’s, You Gotsta Chill, cause that's like on my playlist, that was on there, but that's not really credited on the soundtrack.

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When I looked at the actual soundtrack, it's not on the true soundtrack, but yeah,

exactly.

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yeah, I heard you gotsta chill.

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was like, dude, that was a classic big miss right there.

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Like, come on.

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I mean, it was funny.

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As soon as I put it on, it's like everybody's head.

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Ever see exactly.

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It looked like Night at the Roxbury.

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Ha ha ha ha ha, yeah.

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Every time I play that song, my head does the exact same motion.

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It's like, and then I'm like, wait a minute, it's not even on the soundtrack.

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Yeah, on the soundtrack, you do have B2K, Diddy with Jagged Edge, Marvin Gaye, you have slow jams.

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Some of those guys, Ginuwine. But again, it doesn't really pop that much, but it is

definitely appropriate for the timeframe of the film.

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They got two Cookout classics on here though.

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That “Got to Give It Up, Part 1”

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And “I'll Take You There”

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Those are two cookout classics right there.

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Absolute must.

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Yeah, you need Staple Singers to have a cookout.

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Mm-hmm.

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but I love how that that got to give it up part, you know, when put it on because it was

it was put on right at the right time because Jimmy and Isaac got so heated to the point

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where they were actually probably going to come to blows and the song came on and Eve kind of stepped in between and then everybody starts dancing to the song.

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Good needle drop.

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Very good needle drop.

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And I love how it faded out with the I'll take you there for the end credits.

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You know, yeah, that was, yeah.

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Hehe.

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Fine point on the heartwarming part of this movie, yeah.

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As far as the filming and looking it up, actually did film it in Chicago during the winter

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They used a storefront at 79th Street and Exchange Avenue.

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It was once a laundromat to build the set for Calvin's Barbershop.

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Oh, also another cameo when talking about cast cameo, you saw Jalen Rose.

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Yeah, I was like, huh?

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Former Michigan Fab Five Star and NBA Star.

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Absolutely.

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Jalen Rose, again, he was pretty much at a height of his popularity.

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So that was kind of cool to see.

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When they were joking, like, Michael who?

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Michael who?

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That was neat.

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Impact and legacy of this film.

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it spawned a series of sequels, right?

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Yeah, you got 2004's Barbershop 2:Back in Business, 2016 Barbershop: The Next Cut,

the spin-off Beauty Shop, starring Queen Latifah.

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And they actually had 2005, a short-lived TV series by the same name that actually was on Showtime. Yeah.

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So I mean, they put a little legacy out there.

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mean, you go from, you know, this one came out in 2002, then you have

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The last one came out in 2016, and it did pretty well.

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There was a sort of controversy when this film came out with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton wanting the, taking offense to what Eddie said about Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks and

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trying to get it deleted from the home video releases.

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But Ice Cube defended the film saying this was a representation, an honest representation

of what actually gets said in barbershops.

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So it stayed in.

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uh My question is.

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Would Eddie have voted for Trump, I think he would have done it.

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I he was that crazy contrarian to do it.

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Maybe even a second time Like you would have done it because like he was that kind of guy

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I had those notes in there too about the controversy.

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was, I mean, he was just so opposed to traditional beliefs and he was like, Rosa Parks,

man.

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All she did was just sat her butt down.

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That's all she did.

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Like everybody, so many people came before.

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They got locked up, look it up, but she just sat down because she was connected with

Martin Luther King and everyone was like, what?

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And it was like one of those needle, like the needle comes off the record.

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vroom!

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Record scratch moments.

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Yeah, you got needle drop and record scratches.

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yeah, exactly.

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And it's a big debate.

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Like you said, what's sacred versus what's funny?

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Like, uh you allowed to almost denigrate somebody that was so central to reform and civil

justice, like equality?

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Interesting, interesting debate.

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Yeah, I think his opinions wouldn't be that popular today even.

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I guess there's that element still that still exists that even Black folk will tear down other Black folk and it happens in every

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culture I suppose, right?

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there's a big topic of debate right now.

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mean, even with the NAACP's endorsement of the candidate in Virginia versus, you know, there's a candidate running in Virginia who's a Black woman, but she's Republican.

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And the NAACP did not endorse her.

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They endorsed the Democrat who's a white woman.

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I've seen it all over social media.

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There's people on both sides of the fence like, why wouldn't they endorse the Black

person?

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It's like, well,

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You got to look at it like this.

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If she's not aligning herself with key issues that are central to the Black community,

why would they endorse her?

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You know, all skin folk ain't kinfolk, you know what I mean?

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Come on.

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I side with anybody who's going to see my side of the struggle and try to help me,

regardless of what color they are.

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And if you're my color, that doesn't automatically get you a pass.

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Ice Cube here.

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Ice Cube has had some controversial takes like leaning towards the right and Snoop Dogg playing for Trump, you know, at the campaigns and stuff like that.

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And like, wait a second, where, how do you come across like that?

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Like, so yes, there's always going to be, people that are opposing the popular vote from,

that culture and,

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It's outrageous, know what Cedric the entertainer's character Eddie was kind of so

outrageous, but it's something like the shock value. It's just it's a movie.

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It's shock value.

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Like literally he's not like out there in the streets.

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It's a it's movie It's a comedy film and yes, people rightfully can take offense to it.

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Well, but actually I know what Jesse Jesse Jackson opposed it.

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He literally said F Jesse Jackson He literally said the words like F Jesse Jackson.

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So okay.

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Yeah, Jesse could be upset about that

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Yeah, get over that.

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Get over it, Jesse.

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It's okay.

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It's okay, Jesse.

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What if it was Harold Washington though?

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Cedric the Entertainer, like, he was like the MVP by far for me, like, some of his lines

were just crazy, like, when they messed up the little boy's hair and there's a patch in

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the back, he's like, like, you like 101 Dalmatians, you're number 102.

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You like a leopard, ra ra ra.

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That's good.

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Oh man.

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He was against the grain, man, against the grain, but funny.

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But he did spout a lot of wisdom too.

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You could see like they were almost saying like, hey, when he was bringing out like his

old knife and this is how he used to do the shave and you take the extra care and you

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know, pride in your work.

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That was a good monologue right there.

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It showed that he, regardless of what came out of his mouth, he cared about the

profession.

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He cared about the legacy of the shop and just keeping those going.

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I mean, he was connected with Calvin's father who had originally owned the shop and passed

it down.

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He wanted to see the tradition passed down and...

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keep the barbershop as the central venue for the community.

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They do show how he gets connected with the barbershop in the sequel.

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Origin story.

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I'm ready.

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you want to see how Eddie comes connected watch Barbershop 2 and it'll show you

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All right.

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Another line that I thought was funny was actually with Calvin, Ice Cube’s character.

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We kept talking about Oprah's guest house.

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was like, it's actually Stedman's house when he gets, he's in the dog house, uh won't.

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I want all the Steadman content.

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It was kind of like Calvin kept wanting a get rich quick type scheme, get out of that

barbershop day-to-day. Because there was a lot of violence happening in the very beginning

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throughout, you know, and it was dangerous type place and very, very chaotic.

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He wanted another get rich quick scheme.

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So he had tried some herbal supplement thing and his pregnant wife was like, wow, you

know, first you want to do this.

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Then you're creating a studio, his studio equipment blew up and he was always trying to

figure something out.

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And the other thing that struck me was like, he sold the shop and it was only for $20,000.

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And even in the early 2000s, like that's not a lot of money, And then they wanted 40,000

to recoup it, like double the money.

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And I'm like, that still doesn't add up.

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Like that's way too little.

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Total loan shark.

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Even for the south side.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Lone sharking.

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Yep.

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There was some funny scenes in this movie though that had me really cracking up though.

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That one scene they were debating, they were talking the women.

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said the women with a big.

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When they reference Jennifer Lopez, yeah yeah.

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That part the other part with the woman with the Camry outside.

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I got a car like that.

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Oh man.

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Yeah.

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still has like shaving cream on his face and stuff.

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Yeah.

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That's good.

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man, I like Dinka's two piece.

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Ha ha ha.

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Oh man, yeah, it was some good stuff in here though.

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Dinka was trying to learn how to pick up the ladies and learn some of the nomenclature, which was kind of funny.

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The only one, I think that the stolen ATM thing got a little bit old to me, like at the

main sub plot, like it was like, okay, this again, back to this, back to that.

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was kind of little bit tried.

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Yeah, was definitely a lot of it.

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I mean, yeah.

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Was like, like how much can you do with that?

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It was like it had to be contractually obligated to be in there for some reason.

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Yeah, I don't know if it was worth the payoff, but you know, here we are.

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Here we are.

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ATM more barbershop.

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Yeah.

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And then the Indian store owner who they stole it from that they thought was Pakistanian.

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That was kind of funny.

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And he's like, there's no money in there.

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There's just no money.

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Like it was brand new.

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There's the rub.

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Yeah.

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but all in all, was entertained.

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I read that the actors got barber college training, but Troy Garity, Isaac, was only one

who actually had experience cutting hair.

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Son of Jane Fonda, of all people.

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Yeah.

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Oh, I didn't know that.

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Yep, that's why I gave him that little close up when he was actually cutting because he

actually knew what he was doing.

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No one else got a close up like that.

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uh

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I could tell it was edited.

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I didn't think Cube was really cutting hair at all.

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oh

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Yeah.

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This got 6.3 on IMDB and 82 % on Rotten Tomatoes, but somehow only 62 % on the Popcorn

Meter, so a little bit of a disparity.

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in short, critics loved it.

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People were half and half on it.

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I really enjoyed it though.

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Yeah, I wonder what the negatives were.

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Did people expect a shootout at the barbershop and he didn't get one?

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People thought it was corny.

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It was like either they really hated it or they really loved it.

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So it sort of wasn't a whole lot in between.

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Yeah.

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I think it being PG-13 was kind of a turnoff as well.

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: 00:22:51

Right, right.

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: 00:22:52

When people see Barbershop, they want to see Def Comedy Jam.

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And there was even a line about that.

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: 00:22:56

Like, this is not Def Comedy Jam.

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: 00:22:58

Watch your language.

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: 00:22:59

I think Eve said, somebody said that in the film itself.

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huh.

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Yeah, when Ever was going off about the apple juice, Calvin kept telling her that, you know, no cussing.

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Yeah.

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Wink.

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Message.

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: 00:23:15

There's a few comedians in here like De Ray Davis I've seen his stand up and he goes in.

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Deon Cole is in there he had a very small cameo role but I've seen his stand up hilarious

but he goes in.

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: 00:23:30

But like he said this is PG-13 so you'll see none of that in this movie.

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: 00:23:35

Ok so why don't we go around and do our ratings for Barbershop.

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: 00:23:38

So Boogie, for the movie Barbershop, would you bring that funky flick back or leave it in

the vault?

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: 00:23:44

Bring that funky flick back.

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: 00:23:46

Alright, Dyno Wright bring that funky flick back or leave it in the vault.

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: 00:23:51

I am definitely bringing this funky flick back.

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and I'll make it unanimous.

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will also bring this funky flick back.

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I enjoyed it.

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Thanks for tuning into the Hip Hop Movie Club Show.

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I'm Dyno Wright, filmmaker, designer, longtime hip hop fan.

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I'm actually going to Chicago in a couple of weeks.

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So maybe I should roll down this 79th street and check out Calvin's shop, which right now is a Little Caesar's, so it doesn't actually exist anymore.

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: 00:24:17

Pizza! Pizza!

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: 00:24:19

Ha!

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: 00:24:21

I'm JB, 80s and 90s nostalgia junkie, long time hip hop fan.

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And I once met Brutus “The Barber” Beefcake.

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: 00:24:27

Now that's not a hip hop nor movie tidbit, but what a name there from the golden golden age of wrestling in my opinion.

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: 00:24:34

umm

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And I’m BooGie, a DJ, long time hip hop fan, and I've seen all three Barbershop movies and a spinoff Beauty Shop more times than I can count.

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Yep, and I'm okay with that.

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Hehehehe

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Next week, will review Straight Outta LA, the 30 for 30 documentary directed by Ice Cube

himself about the Los Angeles Raiders and the rise of gangsta rap.

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Join us on Thursday, November 13th at the Frank Banko Alehouse Cinemas at SteelStacks in

Bethlehem, PA as the Hip Hop Movie Club screens Straight Outta Compton, 10th Anniversary.

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You will not want to miss the story of the world's most dangerous group on the big screen.

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And remember, don't hate double date.

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Hey, go out with another couple.

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I'll actually be doing that tomorrow night as we record.

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We have some friends and we hit up dinner once every couple of months.

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So I'm looking forward to that.

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Yep.

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fun.

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double date, don't double dare.

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He caught that reference.

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Ahahaha!

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: 00:25:43

You know, JB, you know about this!

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: 00:25:43

I was on Super Sloppy Double Dare, yeah!

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I was a contestant.

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We have to show a clip of that sometime.

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Absolutely.

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All