Episode 72

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26th Jun 2024

Go back and watch the original Bad Boys!

With Bad Boys: Ride or Die in theaters now, we went back to watch the original Bad Boys film from 1995. The Bad Boys franchise is now a billion dollar one, but it was fun to go back to before Will Smith became blockbuster box office and Michael Bay truly blew up!

Topics discussed:

  • Will Smith and Martin Lawrence have a natural and (very) bankable on-screen chemistry. 
  • Michael Bay does a solid job in his feature film directorial debut. 
  • Part of the plot line feels like it is based on a typical 'Three's Company' misunderstanding. 
  • The movie is lower on the scale of hip hop movies but we still consider it a hip hop movie. 
  • Will Smith's career as an A-list blockbuster actor started with this film. 

Also check out:

Michael Bay directed many music videos at the beginning of his career, including two for Vanilla Ice: Play That Funky Music and I Love You.

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Transcript
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Welcome to Hip Hop Movie Club, the show

that harmonizes the rhythm of hip hop with

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the magic of movies.

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Today we're discussing Bad Boys, the 1995

buddy cop action film starring Will Smith

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and Martin Lawrence.

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We're three old heads who put their old

heads together to vibe on these films for

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you.

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I'm Dyno Wright, podcaster, filmmaker,

longtime hip hop fan, and I'm digging the

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new LL track Saturday Night Special.

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I'm JB, 80s and 90s nostalgia junkie, long

time hip-hop fan, and I still crack up

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every time I see a clip from the Martin

Lawrence show when Martin plays the role

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of Shenehneh That should have been spun

off.

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I'm Boogie, a DJ, long time hip hop fan,

and I've seen every installment of this

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franchise, including the one currently in

theaters.

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In this episode, we'll answer the

question, is the original Bad Boys movie

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worth going back to watch?

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And we'll give you five key takeaways to

make you a smarter hip hop movie fan.

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Bad Boys, directed by Michael Bay, is an

action comedy film that follows two Miami

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narcotics detectives, Mike Lowrey, played

by Will Smith, and Marcus Burnett, played

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by Martin Lawrence, as they investigate a

case involving a large drug heist.

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Here are five things you need to know

about Bad Boys.

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First one, Will Smith and Martin Lawrence

have a natural and very bankable on

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-screen chemistry.

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Number two, Michael Bay does a solid job

in his feature film directorial debut.

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Number three, part of the plot line feels

like it's based on a typical "Three's

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Company" misunderstanding.

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Four, the movie is lower on the scale of

hip hop movies, but we still consider it a

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hip hop movie.

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And the final one, Will Smith's career as

an A-list blockbuster actor started with

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this film.

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Right on, BooGie All right, we will dig

right into Bad Boys, the original in this

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franchise.

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And let's talk a little bit about Will

Smith and Martin Lawrence and their

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chemistry that they have, which, as you

mentioned, very bankable because it's made

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hundreds of millions, if not into the

billion dollar...

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With this last movie, it'll crack a

billion.

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There we go.

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So what is it about the chemistry between

Will Smith and Martin Lawrence, that's

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special BooGie?

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What do you think?

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think?

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I mean, you look at the film and you see

the interactions and it feels like they

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feel like brothers.

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I mean, we talked about the chemistry

between the leading cast in The Wood.

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But this is right up there.

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I mean, it's instant.

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It looks natural.

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They feed off of one another like very

well, even to the point where I mean, it's

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so realistic and.

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their personalities balance one another

out.

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I mean, the jokes play off of one another,

even when there's serious moments, they

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play off of one another.

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It looks very realistic.

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And it just, you know, I mean, here we

are, you know, the fourth one in the

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theaters right now.

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So, I mean, they're doing something right.

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Yeah, I mean these are two guys that

carried long running sitcoms very

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successful ones Martin and Fresh Prince of

Bel -Air these guys are comedic geniuses

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and You know, they play off each other

very well, like you said they would appear

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very It's natural for them to play buddies

because it seems like they generally like

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each other DynoWright, want to add

anything to that point as well?

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Yeah, two things.

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One is that even when they're yelling at

each other, you never know if they're

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really yelling at each other or doing an

act.

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And it's kind of funny to watch along the

way.

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And one thing that struck me about this

movie, because I hadn't actually seen this

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before, I only saw the third one, but they

say they love each other.

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And that's not something you really heard

a lot in the:

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You hear that more now.

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I think we've gotten more accepting of

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It's good, it's great, but that's not

something you heard back in:

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So to put that in also was really good to

really show that they did care for each

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other as brothers and partners and sort of

like frenemies when they put their good

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cop, bad cop act on.

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Yeah.

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a good catch.

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That's a good catch though.

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You know, with no, they're showing they

love another.

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That's a great catch.

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I was reading that Will Smith was actually

reluctant to say that line.

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And he battled with Michael Bay a little

bit and then he finally conceded.

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And it was great that he did, like you

said.

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There were some very humorous parts, like

because of the different backgrounds, you

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know, Will Smith's character, Mike Lowrey,

was more of a well -to -do character,

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single.

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So he had a whole different lifestyle and

Martin Lawrence's character, Marcus, you

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know, more of a blue collar guy.

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He has the family and it was just the

funny interactions how he's spilling fries

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in very the beginning.

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He's spilling fries and Will Smith's

sports car.

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The way they actually turn about in terms

of,

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The way they capture some of these bad

guys and the way they have success is

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almost like each time they're like kind of

battling, you know, they're ragging on

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each other and getting under each other's

skin and all of a sudden they distract,

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they distract the bad guys and end up, on

top.

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So it's kind of funny chemistry that way.

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Anything else about the chemistry aspect?

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I mean, it's good that they had to flip

the script a bit to...

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they had to pretend they were each other

to really drive home both the character

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development and this like relationship

they have which like they bicker for

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effect and they play for a lot of laughs.

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We'll get into that in a little bit, the

plot line.

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I had a couple issues with it, but we'll

get to that.

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But the second takeaway you mentioned

there, Boogie, was Michael Bay does a

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solid job overall in his feature film

directorial debut.

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Michael Bay has this reputation of just

being all about explosions.

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There were some explosions in this one,

but overall, I mean, it was a fun movie

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and it was well done.

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funny scenes, dramatic scenes, action.

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It kept you on the edge of your seat.

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Yeah, yeah, I had something similar.

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I had something similar, I said, you know,

this movie is less over the top than what

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it's currently known for.

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But it's definitely was an impressive one.

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You didn't quite find the igniter yet.

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Yeah.

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Although of course when they like

commandeer a truck, it's an ether truck,

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you know, and there's these barrels of gas

and just so happened to be that that's

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what they had, right?

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To throw out on the back at the bad guys.

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He didn't really, right, exactly, right.

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for any.

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I guess, you know, he did music videos

before this, including a Vanilla Ice

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video.

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So there you go.

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But then, he does Bad Boys and then he

does The Rock and he does Armageddon.

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It's pretty good first three out of the

gate for your feature films.

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I'd expect if you were to chart the number

of explosions in each film, this just gets

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more.

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Yeah, until we get to the current day

persona, or at least his reputation for

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being an explosion director.

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that's a solid run though between this,

The Rock and Armageddon.

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I love all three movies.

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Yeah, he definitely has a gift when he's

not going super crazy with the explosions.

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But he can actually, you know, do a really

good movie, you know.

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The Rock was terrific.

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man.

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Such a great movie.

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Yeah.

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Armageddon is one of those movies that I

watch every single time I see it on no

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matter what part is on I will stop and

watch it and I will shed a tear every time

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Bruce Willis ignites the bomb.

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Nah.

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Some of the action scenes I really enjoyed

too, like the scene in Club Hell and then

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Marcus is spotted by the bad guys from up

above and Marcus is attacked in the

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bathroom, the aquarium breaking.

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The other scene with the convenience store

owner sticking them up in the funny turn

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of events and then they're like, you

freeze, back up and put the gun down, get

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me a pack of tropical fruit bubble

-licious and some Skittles.

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It was just silly.

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Like some of the dialogue.

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Yeah, I like how he places those humorous

lines in those serious situations.

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I love when that happens.

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It just, it lightens it up, but it, I

think that's what these movies have come

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to be known for, especially, this is where

it all started with this one.

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a well time, like non -sequitur after

something like that.

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Yeah.

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Go ahead.

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These kinds of things are the things that

are missing from a film like State

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Property.

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There were no laugh lines in State

Property.

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There could have been.

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There could have been.

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One of the failings.

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Not to harp on State Property again, but.

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You know, these kinds of jokes in films

like this, you know, we've seen this in

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Michael Bay films and Lethal Weapon films

and all those kinds of like buddy cop

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films.

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And, you know,

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The tradition continues in a good way in

this film.

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Another one that struck a chord with me

was after they broke into that wealthy

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house and Marcus is real nauseous around

the dead body that they discover and he's

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really nauseous then.

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After that, Mike is teasing him and then

after they're about to leave, Mike's like,

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let's go get burritos.

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I was just like, what?

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Hahaha!

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So I was like, how could you even think

about that at that time?

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Yeah, silly things like that.

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you know, make me laugh.

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It's a good balance of the action

suspense, the gore, the violence, and the

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comedy aspect, which makes this a bankable

franchise.

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Yeah, so there's some comedy, comic relief

to this, which is good to see.

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Now, as far as the plot, part of the plot

feels like it's based on a typical

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"Three's Company" misunderstanding.

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For me, the fact that they had to, I

understand that Julie was distraught, that

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her friend Max was killed as part of this

drug heist, and Max had said that she had

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trusted Mike, that she had known Mike, and

it's like,

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That's the only one I would confide in.

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But the fact of the matter is, you know,

like, all right, well, he was unavailable

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at the time and his partner, you know, at

some point I'm like, he couldn't just say

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that I'm Mike's partner, you know, things

just went on and went on and on and on.

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And.

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you know, for effect, at some point you're

like, okay, come on, you know, the gig is

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up.

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I would have thought Julie would have

figured it out like within like two

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seconds like, you're not really Mike.

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they had all the pictures, all the

pictures in the house of Mike and Mark.

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That's my partner.

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We do that.

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fast talker, but really?

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Hahaha.

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All right.

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I mean, they did ramp it up for comedic

effect and it worked for some good laughs.

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But yeah, I love how you reference Three's

Company.

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I mean, this was more of like a less of a

misunderstanding, more like a calculated

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lie to get the witness protected and get

to justice.

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But, you know, I would say as JB, as

you're the charter member of the Larry

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Dallas Appreciation Society.

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That's right.

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The Three's Company thing was a really

interesting touch to this.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I love Three's Company.

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I own the whole series on DVD still.

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You know, like I love, but the joke, the

running joke is every episode is based on

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some sort of misunderstanding.

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And that one where the mistaken, well, the

switched identities, you know, it just

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seemed to linger on.

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And it was like, does it really make, who

cares at this point?

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It's like, I'm protecting you.

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It's fine.

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But then the other one that really took it

at another level, the misunderstanding was

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when Marcus called,

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You heard Mike talking to, because Mike

ends up staying at Marcus's house with the

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wife and the kids.

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And he thinks that he's cheating with her

because he said something like, yeah, you

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can't get it in.

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Okay, hold on a second.

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There was something like sexual innuendos

or double entendres.

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And I'm like, okay, then he flips out and

drives over there based on just hearing a

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few words.

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that was very much like John Ritter could

have been climbing that, climbing the

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house and then falling down from the

flower pots.

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and then Mr.

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Furley comes out.

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with Ascot.

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Yeah, exactly.

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man, that's right.

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Yes.

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But yeah, I mean, it was a little

contrived, but I mean, okay, you know, you

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go with it.

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Cause it did lead to some funny scenes

when, Marcus is pretending that it's his

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home and Julie has the dog there and the

dog's on a leather couch and you can see

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Mike fuming inside.

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Like, okay, we're going to do this now,

right?

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yeah.

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Marcus doesn't realize, he doesn't know

where anything is in his own house.

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At least this is a screen.

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know what these are in your own house?

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Like...

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That plus, like I said, all the pictures

that were of Mike there.

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It's like, that's a little.

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Julie figured it out.

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Maybe just figured it out and just going

along.

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I think she did because when they finally

did reveal it, she's like, I knew it.

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And I think she said something.

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it's like Santa Claus.

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Hahaha.

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Although it begs the question, she started

flirting with Marcus at the time.

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At that point, did she think it was Marcus

or Mike?

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I don't know.

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But yeah, a little contrived.

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Overall, the movie is lower on the scale

of hip hop movies, but we still consider

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it a hip hop movie.

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Dyno Wright, why would you say we consider

it a hip hop movie?

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You know, I guess based on our definition.

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Well, first of all, it does star Will

Smith, who got his start as a rapper, a

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very successful one at that.

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And then there's a lot of hip hop in the

soundtrack.

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And finally, this is maybe this third

piece is a little more debatable, but hip

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hop and film often go through these themes

of street level crime and glitz and

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glamour and drugs and guns.

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And so.

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these overlapping elements, you could make

an argument that because of these common

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themes, it's part of the hip hop film

spectrum, I guess, but Will Smith alone,

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and we can get into the Mount Rushmore of

rappers turned actors, but Will Smith is

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the.

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the real reason we're even watching this

movie.

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Yeah, I couldn't have said it better.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Exactly.

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We've had live events and we've talked

about our Mount Rushmore and Will Smith,

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making the transition more seamless than

anyone probably in history between him and

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Queen Latifah, like becoming starting as

rapper and then megastar.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So, that's...

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right there.

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And the franchise obviously has grown and

literally as we're speaking, you know,

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Boogie has seen the most recent one.

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There's one in the theater as we're

recording right now.

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So it's grown by leaps and bounds from the

star power.

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And I think, too, over the course of the

series, you see cameos from artists in the

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films.

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You know, Nicky Jam is one of them.

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DJ Khaled's in a couple of them, you know,

like that.

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So even, you know, actual artists see the

appeal of the film.

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the correlation between hip hop and this

one that's Dyno Wright eloquently

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explained.

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So, and then one of our final takeaways

was then about Will Smith specifically.

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I mean, his run to dominance, the box

office really started with this film.

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This was his biggest, his first big

feature film that made a lot of bank.

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Yeah, I remember doing the research on him

when we did our live events and he had a

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small film that was, he didn't even have a

major role in:

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Takes You.

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But 1995 with Bad Boys, this hit it big

and put him on the map as a megastar.

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Yeah.

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Think about this run, even better.

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Bad Boys in 95, 96 Independence Day, 97

Men in Black.

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Boy, your first three blockbusters are

those three movies?

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Wow.

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Each better than the last.

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to...

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And Bad Boys and Men in Black, two of

those three kick off a franchise, multiple

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sequels.

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Exactly.

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But yeah, I mean, I remember running down

the list shortly after Men in Black, Enemy

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of the State, Wild Wild West, Legend of

Bagger Vance, those weren't as huge, but

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then to play Muhammad Ali in a feature

film, yep.

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absolutely.

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Yeah, it was great in Ali.

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Yep.

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Men in Black 2 would come out in 2002.

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Bad Boys 2 comes out in 2003.

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A series of other movies and then it

builds from there.

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I, Robot, Hitch, Pursuit of Happiness, I

Am Legend.

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And he's got, I am legend 2 is in pre

-production right now.

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I Am Legend 2 yeah.

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Pre -production.

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So there he's man.

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I think the biggest grossing film was

Aladdin because of the connection with

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Disney.

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People forget about that one being such a

blockbuster, but that was in:

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He was great in Aladdin too.

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I loved him in Aladdin.

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great movie.

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I watched that movie so many times with my

son.

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He loves it.

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Absolutely loves it.

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It's great acting, great story, dancing,

singing, et cetera.

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And then so many more, too many to name

but the Karate Kid.

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I really enjoyed Concussion too.

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Will Smith's so versatile with the roles

that he plays.

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I haven't seen King Richard just yet.

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Have you guys seen King Richard?

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Have not seen King Richard yet.

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It's on my list.

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an Oscar for it, right?

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That's the one he won the Oscar for.

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I think so.

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That prompted the slap heard around the

world.

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I think when he was on the stage.

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seems he seems to have recovered from now.

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That's good.

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I saw an article today.

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It was talking about his marketability and

they're saying that, because of the

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success of the current, well, the current

run of Bad Boys Ride or Die that Sony is

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considering considering for the role in

one of the upcoming sci -fi films.

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Supposed to be like another mega

blockbuster.

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I forgot the name of it, but it's

apparently based off of a book, I believe.

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But yeah, it's supposed to be a mega

blockbuster.

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It's coming soon.

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Well, actually, well, it's rumored that

he's going to be in it, but yeah,

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definitely consider him for the role.

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I was like, well, that slap didn't affect

much.

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It seemed like it did for a second, and

then everybody just kind of moved on past

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it like, all right.

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Because I mean, it even halted the...

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even honked the Bad Boys for a second.

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But pick right back up and...

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And also, he's also in pre -production for

Planes, Trains and Automobiles.

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I don't know how that's going to go, but

I'll go watch it.

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It's Will Smith.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, I mean, big hits started with

this one.

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You guys have any more tidbits you wanted

to mention about Bad Boys that you had

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observed when going back to watch it or

rewatch it?

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I like the John Salley cameo.

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Yeah, as a sports fan, I caught that.

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I was like, is that John Salley?

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Fletcher.

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I'm wearing a Los Angeles Kings jersey

because Marty McSorley, one of Wayne

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Gretzky's enforcers, was also in the

movie.

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He played the henchman who gets

interrogated and gives up Fouchet.

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There you go.

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And Tea Leoni and I have the same

birthday.

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there we go.

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Nice.

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Yeah.

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It's like the three movies that I love her

in.

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This movie, Fun with Dick and Jane and

Jurassic Park III.

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So it's three movies I love.

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Completely different movies, completely

different roles, but I love her in all

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three of them.

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And I noticed Michael Imperioli in this

one played the role of Jojo, the young

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tire guy.

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He was Chris in Sopranos.

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Yep.

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Soprano's nephew or his cousin.

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but I remember him, yeah.

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He was a piece of work in that series.

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Yeah.

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trying to look at other notable cameos.

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Those are some of the key ones.

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It brought back a memory of Hard Copy.

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There's one line where I should turn you

into Hard Copy.

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Remember that show?

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I'm sorry.

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If you know, you know.

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Yeah.

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man.

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the funny thing that I was cracking up at

was the police chief or the head

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investigator, their boss, shooting mad

air, he was shooting mad air balls.

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It was like, it was like Shaq trying to

shoot three -pointers or something.

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I was just like, yeah, yeah, not even

close.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I love his character.

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Yeah, I love his character throughout the

series.

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He's funny.

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Joe Pantoliano is good in everything.

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Joe Pantoliano, yeah.

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Yeah, he had me cracking up.

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It was like the, kind of like the New York

accent and they're down in Miami.

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He brought the toughness down there.

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He's like the 90s Bill Burr.

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Kind of like like Riley going from the

Knicks to the Heat or whatever, Lakers,

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the Knicks to Heat, whatever.

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So I was was wondering I was watching this

in the and they're Miami, and I thought of

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Will Smith's Welcome to Miami song.

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Do you guys recall, was that made for one

of the Bad Boys sequels or was it just

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totally a standalone song?

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Yeah, it did come later, but I didn't know

if it was affiliated with any of the

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films.

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I don't think it was actually.

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Yeah.

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pretty sure it was a standalone.

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Right?

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Just happened to be, you know, Miami as a

city.

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That was from his, that was from Big

Willie Style.

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That was a couple years after.

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Right.

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that was on the album, yeah.

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I forgot that was his first solo album.

456

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Wow.

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That song was released in 97.

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Yeah.

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This film was from 95.

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Yeah, it was even before the other, the

sequels would come out.

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Yeah.

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The 90s have become a blur.

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no.

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This is bad.

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This is not good.

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That was a fun video though.

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Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's all in our heads

now.

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Yeah.

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You know the Miami Heat could have been

named, the basketball team could have been

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named Miami Vice.

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It was like a contest, I think.

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And like Miami Vice was one of the

finalists.

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I think it was between the Vice and the

Heat.

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I almost think it would be cool to have

them called the Vice.

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I mean, they actually do those throwback

uniforms, those alternate uniforms, and

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they have like those themes.

477

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Yeah, they're really hot pink and teal.

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Yeah.

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That's pretty cool.

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Yeah.

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It made me think of Crockett and Tubbs and

like, where was, we should have had Philip

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Michael Thomas in this.

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Where's Philip Michael Thomas?

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cameo have them as like older detectives

or something.

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Yeah.

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You know, Will Smith drives the 911 in

this, Porsche 911 in this film, and it

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very fits in well with, was it Don Johnson

had a Ferrari, I think, a white

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Testarossa, right?

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There's a lineage there is what I'm

saying.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, tighter.

491

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And he stays with those car, the fantasy

sports cars throughout the movies too.

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It's like, what the heck?

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Trust fund, baby.

494

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Yeah.

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-hmm.

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Yeah, right.

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I'm gonna get a $100,000

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1995!

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Yeah, it's true.

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So we went back to the OG of the Bad Boys.

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Wanna go around and give our ratings?

502

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Sound good, fellas?

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All right.

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So.

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Boogie, for Bad Boys, the original from

:

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Bring that funky flick back or leave it in

the vault.

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It goes without saying for me, bring that

funky flick back.

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DynoWright, Bad Boys, bring that funky

flick back or leave it in the vault.

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Bring this funky flick back.

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And as for me, I will also say bring this

funky flick back.

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It was an enjoyable ride.

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Yes.

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Hip Hop Movie Club is produced by your

HHMC's JB, Boogie and Dyno Wright.

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watching us on YouTube, please give us a

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follow.

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It's a real power up for us.

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Thanks for tuning in.

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And remember, don't hate, operate.

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Operate!

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or Big Daddy Kane, the smooth operators.

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Ha ha ha ha!

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I like both of those songs.

524

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They're both classics.

525

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Yeah.

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Both great.

527

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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both operators are smooth.

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They both have a high level of smoothness,

yes.

530

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I always love Coast to Coast, LA to

Chicago.

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That could be used everywhere.

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Hip Hop Movie Club
Harmonizing the rhythm of hip hop with the magic of movies
HHMC is brought to you by a trio of longtime hip hop fans: JB, an 80s and 90s nostalgia junkie, Boogie, a veteran DJ and graffiti artist, and DynoWright, podcaster and filmmaker.

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